you know, i remember in the 2004 presidential campaign i worked for john kerry and dick gephardt two great progressives and being for civil unions in that campaign was considered the leading edge. >> it was a big deal then. >> big deal. in 2016 every democrat running for president will be for marriage equality. you know, frankly, i think the republicans as we saw with rob portman last week and the report they put out yesterday are starting to come our way, too. it's only a matter of time. >> that was my question. do you think that, well, if any democrat or for that matter any republican can get through 2016 that the obvious pickle is for republicans who are trying to get through the primaries? >> i think it'll be tough for a republican but if i look at "the washington post"/abc poll yesterday, 81% of people under the age of 30 -- 81% are for marriage equality. if they're not going to be for it in 2016 they're going to be for it in 2020 or 2024. >> vice president biden, maryland's governor, martin o'malley, of course new york's governor andrew cuomo, all of them for same sex marriage.